Quebec becomes 11th diocese to offer same-sex blessings

From here:

Same-sex couples in the diocese of Quebec will soon be able to receive a blessing of their civil union, according to the Anglican diocese’s newspaper, the Gazette.

Quebec’s diocesan synod, which met November 2 to 4, passed a motion supporting Bishop Denis Drainville’s wish to permit the blessing of same-gender unions. The motion also requests the creation of a working group to advise the bishop on how a “pastoral response” can be implemented for those seeking to have their union blessed.

The diocesan newspaper reported that of the 70 synod members, fewer than 10 voted against the motion on the grounds that “the blessing of homosexual couples contradicts biblical teaching.”

In his charge to synod, Drainville expressed his intention to provide a rite of blessing and pastoral support for persons living in “committed, same-gender relationships.” This blessing is not a marriage, he emphasized, but rather “the blessing of civil union that has already taken place.”

No cleric or congregation will be obligated to perform same-gender blessings, he added. This ministry will “simply be an option…which is being offered in an increasing number of parts of the Anglican Church of Canada.”

Quebec becomes the 11th diocese in the Anglican Church of Canada to offer same-sex blessings. The others include New Westminster, Ottawa, Huron, Niagara, Toronto, British Columbia, Montreal, Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island, Edmonton, and Rupert’s Land. The Anglican Parishes of the Central Interior (APCI) has passed a motion asking its bishop to allow clergy “whose conscience permits” to bless same-sex unions.

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35 Responses to Quebec becomes 11th diocese to offer same-sex blessings

  1. Michael Li says:

    Common-law relationships are basically marriages without licenses. Performing same-sex blessings is almost the same as accepting legal same-sex marriages. Currently same-sex marriages are legal in Canada. Will Canadians rise up to challenge the legal standing of same-sex marriages in Canada? When will our Canadian government outlaw same-sex marriages?

  2. Frank Wirrell says:

    For Michael Li:-
    I cannot see our federal government ever outlawing same-sex marriages as virtually all politicians and parties have been brainwashed into accepting what is called “political correctness” – a term that is completely designed to mislead. However, the time has long since passed for all churches that claim to be Christian to stand up for the Gospel. With the leadership of the ACoC having willingly jumped over the cliff into apostasy, I cannot see the ACoC ever returning to complete and full acceptance of the authority of Scripture and full recognition of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ.
    As Christians we are called to be a witness to our society but the ACoC seems content to follow society regardless of the truth.

  3. Michael Li says:

    Christians in other denominations can certainly oppose same-sex marriages and try to do something about it.

  4. Michael Li says:

    #2: People, societies, churches, governments can change. Once upon a time, churches owed slaves. Now, old-fashioned slavery is no longer legal. Death penalty was legal in Canada in the past, but not today. Yes, currently same-sex marriages are legal in Canada. But, Christians are people of hope. We believe in the Almighty God who can change things. We must not give up praying for changes regarding same-sex marriages. We must not give up fighting for holy living in a fallen world. Yes, there are eleven Canadian Anglican Dioceses who have approved same-sex blessings as of today. Is our God bigger and stronger than all these Dioceses? When the kings of the earth plot against God (Psalm 2:2), God just laugh at them (Psalm 2:4). Today, God is laughing at all who support same-sex marriages.

  5. Pauline says:

    I agree with you Michael. In 50 years time when the consequences of the “sexual revolution” become apparent there will a return to more stable behaviour to calm the chaos. We are going through a period of total lunacy and people will look back on this period of history shaking their heads as to what was allowed. The world is, and always will be Babylon, and from time to time Babylon enters the church. The Lord brings reformation to His Church which is what we are seeing now in the collapse of the ACoC. We have worshipped the institution more than we have worshipped Jesus. Hope in the Lord and He will not disappoint.

  6. Frank Wirrell says:

    Pauline, you are very optimistic when you state there will be a return to sanity when people realize the consequences of the current social status. Indeed many within the church worship the church rather than the Saviour and those who have made an oath before our Lord to be chief shepherds are continuing to abandon their duties and thus lead many in the pews from the faith. For many of us who were in the Diocese of New Westminster our buildings and properties, which were totally funded by the congregation, have been legally stolen with the blessing and congratulations from the Primate, Fred Hiltz. In an endeavour to further mislead the general public, the diocese has recently placed notices by the seized property urging the public to come in and be “inspired”. One can only ask by whom are they to be inspired considering the well known and established facts that Michael Ingham and his cohorts do not believe in:-
    1. the virgin birth
    2. the bodily resurrection of Jesus
    3. the uniqueness of Jesus Christ – Michael Ingham clearly states in his book that all religions lead to God.
    Considering the above Michael Ingham should NOT officiate at the Eucharist as if what he believes is true God the Father was incredibly unjust by allowing His Son to go through the agony to atone for our sin. Tragically there are other so-called bishops that have similar beliefs as that of Michael Ingham.

    It is indeed my prayer that our Lord will rescue his church from these servants of the enemy. This could well mean the demise of the ACoC as it cannot claim to be a Christian church in its present state.

  7. Pauline says:

    Frank – I know you have been terribly hurt and disappointed by the Church, but the Lord has moved you to a new place and you have to stop the grieving for what might have been. God will judge all those who have worked against Him and He will resurrect the church just as He resurrected his Son. Enjoy what you have now – I listen to the sermons of David Short from the present St. John’s and he is a wonderful gift along with many wonderful priests in ANiC. Join in the vision that God has for you now. May you have healing from the hurts of the past.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Good I’m glad to see more diocese putting forward same sex blessings. Hopefully more will follow in their way.

  9. Pauline says:

    Dialogue is impossible – we have two different religions claiming to be Christian – enough already:)

  10. Frank Wirrell says:

    For Anonymous:-
    Kindly explain how any activity that is contrary to Scripture can be blest. Clearly homosexual activity is denounced in Scripture as is adultry, theft, etc. Give your head a shake and you will see how claims of same-sex blessing are totally and completely fraudulent. They are a tool for the evil one to deceive the sinner in the same way he works on all of us in our particular area of weakness.
    If the church is following the directive of our Lord, it will work with those involved in any area of sin – and that includes homosexual activity – to bring them into repentance.

  11. John K says:

    Another nail in the coffin. It is both amazing and sad that the leaders of these dioceses don’t realize they are killing their church.

  12. Anonymous says:

    For Frank.
    Might I remind you that scripture was not written by GOD Herself. It is a human interpretation of GOD’s will. It is true that we denounce theft and adultry and murder; Because they hurt people. Being or supporting (including blessing and marrying) Gay and Lesbians does not hurt any one. It is following in Jesus path to love and care for everyone. If Jesus could love tax collectors and prostitutes, I am 100% sure he would love Gay and Lesbians.
    If you want to quote Leviticus, then why don’t you quote it on not eating seafood or pork or cutting your hair or shaving. Or better yet, quoting it on the Jubilee Laws!? Instead of hurting Gay and Lesbians around the world.

  13. Frank Wirrell says:

    For Anonymous:-
    Clearly you do not worship the same GOD as true Christians. We accept the full authority of Scripture and the name God has given us which is confirmed by our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Further, you have not answered my question and have deliberately diverted attention from the truth. I pray for your conversion and repentence.

  14. Jonathan says:

    Anonymous,

    Jesus did without a doubt love tax collectors and prostitutes, and without a doubt he loves gay and lesbians. But, in all cases he always called those whom he loved to repentance. He never said ‘I love you, please keep on sinning as you are’…. in fact the line goes ““Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

    But please listen Anonymous. I do not want to start a theological debate here. But, I will tell you what I believe and what I feel. I believe that God inspired the Bible, and that it is his word and through his providence he has ensured it’s integrity through the ages. There are things in there that take time and effort to understand but with effort they are not beyond the comprehension of the average person who can read (i.e. sorting out how the old testament applies in light of the teachings of the apostles, what was moral law, what was ceremonial and so on. It is clear with an honest reading of the text).

    I also believe that there are things in there that will be hard to hold to in our culture. But, this is not exclusive to our time. Paul himself had to deal with his own share of thorny issues in his time. But, I hold to them in faith, trusting that the Creator God of the universe knows more about how things operate than I do, so I do my best to humble myself, accept them, and put my faith in the teachings of God who loved us so much he gave up His own son for me.

  15. siena says:

    It’s not loving to promote homosexual sex in the same way that we don’t promote cigarette-smoking now that we know it causes cancer. Check out the medical research: http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1

  16. Anonymous says:

    At Frank
    Saying that I am not a true Christian is both untrue and hurtful. I am an Anglican, read scripture, do intercessions, and serve the alter on a regular basis. While it may be true that I have different believes then you, does not in any way say that I am not Christian. Why don’t you answer my question. Why can people quote Leviticus or any other scripture for only the parts that help them in their arguments. I am praying for you, that GOD can show you the correct way to love.

  17. Anonymous says:

    For Jonathan
    It is very true that Jesus called all he loved to repent. Every one must repent. Gay and Lesbians have sins as well, but being Gay or Lesbian is not a sin. GOD created all people. Gay people Lesbian people, Black people, Asian, First Nations, white, transgender, bisexual, mentally ill, etc etc. GOD creates every one just the way they are because she loves us. Being Gay or Lesbian is not a mistake. It is the doing and the purpose of GOD. Gay and Lesbians don’t choose to be so either. GOD does. So give me even one reason why GOD would purposely create something “evil” or “unclean”. She wouldn’t! Gay and Lesbians are as much human, and some even as christian as you or I! (Though a lot have had trouble with the church)

    And you are right, GOD inspired scripture; She did not write it! People can ONLY guess what GOD wants for us. Because she is so beyond our simple minds.

  18. Peter says:

    For a good answer to the oft held “shellfish argument”, you might want to read: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/21/my-take-the-bible-condemns-a-lot-but-heres-why-we-focus-on-homosexuality/

    But, if you only choose the parts of scripture that you want, then perhaps St Augustine has something for you:
    ”If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.”

  19. Jonathan says:

    Anonymous,

    I firmly believe that God the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. Yes, through means (being people), but it is still His work. I believe that if God can make the universe, which I believe he did, then he can easily write a book and write the book he wants.

    In 1st Corinthians 6:9 God, in his written word, in the new testament clearly refers to homosexual behaviour as being sinful. The church does not have the freedom to ignore that and pretend it does not exist. Our task, which is difficult, is to be loving towards homosexuals as we are to be loving to all people while still maintaining that sinful behaviour is wrong and turning from it is part of repentance. It’s not easy, but we have to try.

  20. Frank Wirrell says:

    For Anonymous:-
    You might well find that stating you do not believe in the same God as true Christians but your statements confirm this. You clearly refer to God, the Father, as “she” despite the fact that Jesus himself called God “Father”. Serving at the altar and doing intercessions does not make one a Christian. In fact, considering what you claim to believe, these actions can only be described as fraudulent. God indeed make various races but there is absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest that people are born “gay”. As I have stated previously each and every one of us has that old nature within us and our tendencies to sin are based on our own individual personalities. That does not mean we can blame God for this but rather accept his love and forgiveness as He calls us to repentance. Jonathan’s posting is very well worded. We cannot claim to bless sinful activity simply because it might fit in with our desires.

  21. Jonathan says:

    Frank,

    I feel the need to jump in here. While I agree with you, I must say, bad theology does not equal not saved. We are not fit to judge the state of peoples eternal souls. While church leaders have some claim to be able to make temporal judgements as it pertains to their flock, that doesn’t extend to random people on blogs regarding eternal salvation. Furthermore, insinuating that people may not be saved does not foster fruitful dialogue in any way. Personally, I would prefer it if you adopted a more pastoral tone in your posts.

    Anonymous, I certainly hope you are saved and that you continue to grow your understanding of theology. No one has it perfect, we all have to keep studying, keep seeking God’s wisdom, learn from those scholars in the field, etc. It appears that you are well versed on much of what liberal theologians think. If I may encourage you to explore more tradional views on God and the Bible I would highly suggest Wayne Grudem’s systematic theology podcast. It’s free, easy to follow, and he is extremely knowledgeable.

  22. Jack S. Pratt says:

    Is Anonymous really that guy from Saskatoon? With what “anonymous” is saying and how he is saying it – namely that God is a “she” – sounds like the Saskatoon dude doesn’t feel like using his name.

  23. Kate says:

    Folks, he’s 12.

  24. Anonymous (Christopher) says:

    For everybody.
    Everyone belives different things. I can’t change what you believe and you can’t change what I belive. I stand true to what I said in the first place; I am happy for the diocese of Quebec and I hope more diosece will follow in their way.
    Stop saying I don’t believe in GOD and that I am a sinner for accepting Gay and Lesbians, that’s what I belive.
    GOD bless you all,
    Christopher
    P.S. For Jack,
    How do you know where I live. And I think you might be thinking of my Dad (green priest)

  25. Frank Wirrell says:

    For Anonymous:-
    You are quite correct in stating that we cannot change what you believe. However, we do pray for your genuine conversion as you cannot claim to be a Christian if you reject the authority of Scripture. You might well believe in a god but we pray for your conversion to the God of the Scriptures.

  26. Jonathan says:

    Frank,

    Again, you can’t make that call. While I to question what one would have faith in if they really rejected the scriptures. But we cannot pronounce eternal judgement on anyone, regardless of how bad their doctrine is. Martin Luther rejected James, does that mean he wasn’t saved? No, of course not. As I said before bad doctrine does not definitively mean not saved. You yourself are expounding bad doctrine by saying that.

    People are saved by being regenerated by the Holy Spirit period, and that’s between them and the Holy Spirit. One would hope that through the sanctification process the Holy Spirit would lead that regenerated soul to have sound doctrine. But that road is longer for some than for others and it does not matter where they are on that road, they are saved at the point of regeneration.

    Let’s give the young man from SK some credit for at least going and discussing this on a conservative blog.

    Jonathan

  27. Frank Wirrell says:

    At no time would I consider pronouncing eternal judgement on anyone but I do believe it is the duty of all Christians to bring mistaken believers to the truth. This is precisely why I have worded my response as shown. What we are seeing in the ACoC and in other denominations is turning from the faith to a belief in political correctness – a term in itself is deceptive. Tragically many within the clergy have traded their allegiance from our Lord to the god of political correctness and thus mislead many within their congregation and/or diocese.

  28. Kate says:

    That’s exactly what you did do, Frank. You don’t pray for the genuine conversion of someone who you think is already saved. By saying that, you basically told him that you don’t think he is a Christian. None of us has any business doing that, especially to someone as young as Christopher. I think you should seriously pray over what Pauline told you on another thread – you need to forgive the ACoC leadership and move on.

  29. Jonathan says:

    “A wise man’s heart guides his mouth, and his lips promote instruction. Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones” Proverbs 16:23-24

    Frank, generally your posts could use some honey.

  30. Jonathan says:

    Part 2.

    “For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” Matthew Chapter 7:2

    I was trying to be polite with my above post, but I feel the need to point this out. Frank, if you set the standard of ‘perfect doctrine’ to be saved you are pretty screwed because that is the bar that God will use to judge you. No one has perfect doctrine, not myself, and I am going to say not you either. You do not even seem to understand the process of salvation in the classical sense which is a far more foundational doctrine than who can get married. Perhaps you should spend some time studying 1) The gospel call and effective calling 2) Regeneration 3) Conversion 4) Justification 5) Adoption 6) Sanctification 7) Perseverance of the saints, etc, instead of just dwelling on marriage. I would encourage you to go to the same podcast that I encouraged anonymous to go to.

  31. Christopher (Anonymous) says:

    For Jonathan.
    While I may not agree on your theology. I respect you and you have been very polite to me.
    For Kate. Thank you for standing up for me as well.
    Christopher

  32. Frank Wirrell says:

    Firstly I would apologize to Anonymous for any grief I may have caused. My words were not intended to inflict pain or grief but rather to emphasize the need for accepting the Scriptures as God’s word – not what Anonymous has stated that they are “a human’s interpretation of God’s will” (post #12) and what he reinforces in his post #17, “People can only guess what God wants.” To be a Christian we do not have to be perfect – in fact that is impossible as in our fallen condition we do not fully know the meaning of perfect – but full acceptance of the authority of Scripture and full recognition of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ are mandatory. When we change or interpret the Scripture to suit our beliefs we are rejecting the Word. This is one of the many sins we need to confess when we come for the Holy Eucharist, “Ye that do truly and earnestly repent . . .”

    My prayers for Anonymous and others that have fallen into this deception are indeed genuine. I do struggle with forgiveness for those in the ACoC that have inflicted severe financial hardship on parishioners by legally stealing properties and by leading some parishioners into a false gospel. Despite this fact I do indeed pray for their genuine conversion and repentance. Proper acceptance of the Scriptures and the uniqueness of Jesus Christ are the basis on which our faith rests. If that is eroded or denied we lose our claim to be Christian.

  33. Jonathan says:

    Frank,

    You are still on a slippery slope. You have to be careful not to add to the faith. When you say “…full acceptance of the authority of Scripture and full recognition of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ are mandatory” you are committing a small faux pas. There is nothing in the historic Christian faith as put forth in the historic creeds that demands acceptance of the authority of Scripture as being necessary for salvation. If so Martin Luther would be out, as would either all Roman Catholics or all Protestants as we have different canons.

    Now, please do not get me wrong. I fully believe in the authority of scripture. As I stated above if God can make the universe he can write a book and maintain it’s integrity. I also think that it is a very dubious and incongruent position to take to try to claim that one believes in Jesus’ death, burial and bodily resurrection while saying one does not believe in the book that teaches it. However, we cannot say that it is an impossible position to have and still be saved.

    We need faith in Jesus, that’s it:

    Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. – John 3:18

    Then he brought them outside and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They answered, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” – Acts 16:30-31

    The Heidelberg Catechism puts what we need to believe very well:

    Q. How are you righteous before God?
    A. Only by true faith in Jesus Christ.
    Even though my conscience accuses me
    of having grievously sinned against all God’s commandments,
    of never having kept any of them,
    and of still being inclined toward all evil,
    nevertheless,
    without any merit of my own,
    out of sheer grace,
    God grants and credits to me
    the perfect satisfaction, righteousness, and holiness of Christ,
    as if I had never sinned nor been a sinner,
    and as if I had been as perfectly obedient
    as Christ was obedient for me.
    All I need to do
    is accept this gift with a believing heart.

    Jonathan

  34. Ann Anglican says:

    http://bc.anglican.ca/news/blessing-same-sex-unions

    Diocese of BC authorizes clergy to bless same-sex marriages

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